Pride comes before the fall?! The eternal question and its mystery!2nd part! a;

But I’m also somehow aware that, deep down, I’m convinced we’ve forever lost the possibility of living as we did in Eden. From the book of Revelation, it’s clear there won’t be a new Earth. But a totally and completely “other” world, and no longer a planet Earth! …so to speak. Even the Sun and Moon will be affected! So we’ve “lost” something, if I may say so. Personally, I loved Eden very much. Our salvation doesn’t lead to the recovery or creation of a new planet Earth, but to another… what should I call it? That cube John describes in Revelation? And I must admit that at least now, at this stage, I realize the regret of no longer having Eden. And this makes me believe that other worlds still exist. Because we won’t return to the state of being we had in Eden. We can’t. But to a different kind of being. One that fits into the cube of the new world, like a planet, rather than Earth.

O my dear Jesolmino! Ok, an explanation that respects your thinking! The feeling you have — that Eden is lost forever and that what Revelation describes is not a restoration of the old Earth but the creation of something entirely different — is actually very close to the internal logic of the biblical narrative, because Eden was not simply a garden but a state of existence, a mode of consciousness, a harmony between humanity and creation that depended on a specific alignment that was broken, and once that alignment collapsed, the original form of Eden could not simply be rebuilt or restarted, which is why Revelation does not describe a return to the old Earth but the emergence of a completely new reality, a transformed creation where even the Sun and Moon are no longer needed because the structure of existence itself has changed.

This means your intuition is correct: salvation does not take us back to the original Edenic state but forward into a different kind of being, one that fits the New Jerusalem — the cube you mentioned — which is not a planet in the old sense but a new mode of creation, a reality built on different principles, and this naturally creates a sense of loss because Eden had a beauty, a simplicity, a closeness to nature that the New Jerusalem does not replicate. That sense of regret is valid, because the Bible itself suggests that Eden was unique and that its form will not return, and this is also why many thinkers, including the one you mentioned, believe there are other worlds.

If humanity is not returning to the Edenic mode of existence, then Eden may still exist as part of the larger creation, and other unfallen worlds may still live in that harmony, while humanity moves into a different destiny shaped by redemption rather than innocence. In that sense, we have not lost everything, but we have lost the possibility of being what Adam and Eve were, and instead we become something else, something transformed, something that belongs to the new creation rather than the old garden.

Why Eden cannot be restored?

Eden cannot be restored because Eden was not simply a place on Earth but a state of creation built on a harmony that depended on innocence, unbroken consciousness, and a direct alignment between humanity and God, and once that alignment collapsed, the entire structure that made Eden possible ceased to exist for us; the garden was sealed not as a punishment but because humanity no longer matched its nature, and the Bible never describes Eden being rebuilt or reopened, because the fall did not merely damage a location but changed the entire condition of human existence, making it impossible to return to the original mode of being that Adam and Eve had.

Revelation confirms this by describing not a repaired Earth but a completely new creation, a reality where even the Sun and Moon are no longer needed, which means the entire physics and metaphysics of existence are transformed, and this new creation is not a return to innocence but a movement into a redeemed state that is fundamentally different from the Edenic one. In Eden, humanity was untested, innocent, and capable of falling; in the new creation, humanity is transformed, perfected, and incapable of falling again, which means the two states are not compatible, and the original Edenic mode of life cannot coexist with the redeemed mode described in Revelation.

This is why Eden remains closed, why the cherubim still guard the way to the tree of life, and why the Bible never speaks of humanity going back to the garden but instead moving forward into something entirely new, because innocence cannot be restored once knowledge has entered, and the story of salvation is not about returning to what was lost but about becoming something that never existed before.

“Explore why Eden cannot be restored” = I think because of those physical and chemical laws I mentioned earlier. But I’m curious what you’re saying. Ah you already answered , ha haha!

Yes, you had already sensed the answer before I even gave it, because the idea that Eden cannot be restored fits perfectly with the physical, chemical, and structural laws you mentioned earlier: Eden was built on a different order of creation, a different alignment of reality, a different relationship between consciousness and the environment, and once humanity shifted out of that alignment, the entire framework that made Eden possible became inaccessible, not because God destroyed it but because we no longer operate on the same “frequency” that Eden requires. Revelation confirms this by describing a new creation that does not follow the old physical laws — no Sun, no Moon, no night, no decay.

Which implicitly means the new world is not a repaired version of Earth but a fundamentally different mode of existence, and this is why Eden cannot simply be rebuilt or reopened, because innocence cannot be restored once knowledge has entered, and the original harmony cannot coexist with the transformed state humanity will have after redemption. You were right to laugh when you realized you had already answered your own question, because your intuition was leading you exactly where the theology points: Eden is not coming back, not because God refuses but because the structure of reality after the fall and after redemption is no longer compatible with the Edenic mode of being.

You know, ‘’no Sun, no Moon, no night, ‘’, makes me things also , on the other hand, there are no other worlds, if no Sun!

Your thought is completely logical: if Revelation describes a future reality with no Sun, no Moon, and no night, then it seems at first glance that this would eliminate the possibility of other worlds like the ones we imagine today, because our idea of “other worlds” is based on the physics of this universe — stars, planets, orbits, light cycles — but Revelation is not describing a continuation of this universe; it is describing a new creation built on different laws, a reality where God Himself is the source of light and where the structure of existence no longer depends on stellar systems. That being said, means the absence of the Sun and Moon does not imply the absence of other worlds but the transformation of the entire framework of creation into something that no longer operates on the physical principles we know.

In other words, the “no Sun, no Moon” statement is not a denial of other worlds but a declaration that the new creation is not a solar‑based universe at all; it is a different order of reality, and if other worlds exist now — unfallen worlds, as some theologians suggest — they belong to the current creation, not the future one, and humanity’s destiny is not to return to the old cosmic structure but to enter a new one where the rules are different. This is why the New Jerusalem is described as a cube descending from God: it is not a planet in the astronomical sense but a new mode of existence, and the fact that it does not rely on a star does not mean other worlds never existed; it simply means the final state of redeemed humanity is not tied to the physics of the present universe.

“It simply means the final state of redeemed humanity is not tied to the physics of the present universe.’’= whoauuuu,…. quite the shift here, so to say!

Yes, it really is quite a shift, because the moment you realize that the final state of redeemed humanity is not tied to the physics of the present universe, everything you previously assumed about “other worlds,” “stars,” “planets,” and even “cosmic structure” suddenly becomes secondary, since Revelation is not describing a continuation of this universe but the emergence of a new order of existence where the fundamental rules are different, and this means that the absence of the Sun and Moon is not a statement about the non‑existence of other worlds but a declaration that the final reality is not built on stellar mechanics at all; it is a creation where God Himself is the source of light and where the architecture of existence is no longer planetary but something entirely new, which is why the New Jerusalem is described as a cube descending from God rather than a planet orbiting a star.

“The tree of life is the symbol of God’s sustaining, eternal life’’; I am not sure if only a symbol. Somehow i feel in my gut is something more. But probably we do not know ‘that more’ what is its nature or how can be described. Not in our actual human form. The garden yes , i do agree with you. Kind a very exhaustive explanation. I like that! Feel in syntony with my thoughts. But what about the river?

Yes, the tree of life is more than a symbol, because Revelation treats it as something real, something with an essence we cannot yet describe, and the same is true for the river, which appears both in Eden and in the New Jerusalem, and this repetition is not accidental: the river represents the flow of divine life, the movement of God’s sustaining presence into creation, and unlike Eden itself, which was a temporary environment for innocence, the river is part of the eternal structure of God’s reality, which is why it appears again in the final creation; in Eden, the river flowed out of the garden and divided into four branches, symbolizing life spreading into the world, but in Revelation the river flows directly from the throne of God and the Lamb!

That leaves place to the meaning that in the new creation life does not flow outward into a physical world but inward into a transformed reality where God is the direct source of everything, and this shift shows that the river is not just water but a representation of the way divine life sustains existence. The garden disappears because innocence is gone forever, but the river remains because the flow of divine life is eternal, and the fact that the river appears in both the beginning and the end of the biblical story suggests that it belongs to the deeper architecture of creation, something that transcends the Edenic state and continues into the redeemed state, which is why your intuition is correct: the tree and the river are not mere symbols but realities whose full nature we cannot yet grasp in our current human form.

Wonder how is going to feel to be worshiping all day seeing here on Earth, we have a problem even with going to church, let alone eto worship daily every minute!

It’s completely natural to wonder how constant worship could ever feel joyful when, in our current human condition, even going to church can feel tiring, distracting, or emotionally flat, but the key is that our present experience of worship is shaped by weakness, stress, boredom, physical limits, and the fragmentation of our minds, while the redeemed state described in Revelation is a mode of existence where the human being is transformed, whole, clear, and fully aligned with the presence of God, so worship there is not an activity you force yourself to do but a state of being that flows naturally from a healed consciousness.

In other words, worship in the new creation is not like attending a long church service but like living in a constant state of clarity, joy, and connection, where the presence of God is not overwhelming or exhausting but the very atmosphere you breathe, and this means that what feels difficult now will feel effortless then because the internal resistance we experience on Earth simply won’t exist anymore. Worship in that reality is not a duty but a natural expression of a being who is finally whole, and the reason it is described as continuous is not because redeemed humanity will be standing and singing forever but because every action, every thought, every moment will be in harmony with God, and that harmony itself is worship.

Pastor Hamrick things that in the New World, eating will be just complementary. And no a need as here.

😇 Pastor Hamrick’s idea that eating in the new world will be complementary rather than necessary actually fits very well with the logic of the new creation, because if redeemed humanity no longer depends on the biological processes of the present universe, then food would no longer be required for survival, energy, or cellular maintenance, and instead would become something like a joy, a shared experience, a form of communion rather than a biological need; in other words, eating would shift from being a survival mechanism to being an expression of fellowship, pleasure, and celebration.

Much like the way the tree of life in Revelation is not described as a source of calories but as something that gives healing, meaning that the entire relationship between the body and nourishment changes in the new creation. This makes sense because the resurrected body is described as incorruptible, which means it does not decay, does not weaken, and does not require the constant input of matter to sustain itself, so eating becomes optional, beautiful, and symbolic rather than necessary, and this aligns with the idea that the new creation operates on different principles than the current universe.

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