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Jung's break with Freud

By Grieser MustoBielerudePublished 2 years ago 8 min read
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(I)

Breakup is inevitable

After a short honeymoon period, the differences between Freud's and Jung's ideas began to emerge and gradually sharpened. Jung did not agree with many of Freud's views, especially those on sexual instinct, and he often wrote articles openly against Freud. This made Freud furious. In the correspondence, the fireworks between the two gradually intensified, and the wording of the letters became more and more vulgar, such as "#Your grandfather" and "#Your eight generations of ancestors" and other terms began to proliferate.

It's only a matter of time before we break up.

Sometimes you need to find an excuse to break up.

It is a good excuse to say that the other party has character problems.

And to say that the other party has "inappropriate male and female relations", is a good character problem.

(II)

Jung and Freud's breakup has gone through three rounds of major debates, and one round has a wider scope than the other.

The first round: the main attack on the character of the other side, stating that they do not care to be with him.

Freud: Jung and his patients have inappropriate relationships, and he is afraid that things will be exposed to try to give hush money like President Trump, I can not see his kind of people!

Jung: Freud had a "triangular relationship" with his wife's sister (wife and sister), which shocked me too much, his great image in my mind has "bam" fallen to the ground and shattered. I want to immediately "pink to black"!

The second round: the main attack on the other side of the work ethic problems, unrelated people began to lie.

Freud: I stopped having sex after I turned 40 (Freud's own words). If you don't believe me, I have six children and my youngest daughter was born when I was 39 years old. On the contrary, Jung could not resist the empathy of a beautiful woman and violated professional ethics.

Jung: Brother, don't steal the concept. You are not having sex with your daughter-in-law after 40 and switched to wife and sister, right? At the same time, you seem to have changed your tastes and started to have a strong attachment to men. You often write passionate letters to men and even have "an uncontrollable homosexual feeling" (quoted from Freud's letters) for Dr. Frith, the ear, nose, and throat doctor.

Round 3: The supporters of the respective theories begin to fight in groups.

The proponents of each theory defended their theories and cited the history of the other side's eight generations of ancestors as evidence.

Needless to say, the argument was wrong from the beginning. Because no one argued or debated on the theoretical level, no one even cared what the other side's point of view was. Everyone started by focusing the battle on the character and privacy of individuals!

A living European academic celebrity version of a shrew's tirade.

(3)

The other party is denigrated by pointing out the problems in the relationship between men and women and then finding an excuse for the breakdown of the relationship. This plot is also too bloody. However, we are all adults, greasy middle-aged men. Fundamentally, we are not because of this problem towards the final "break" and then develops to the point of tearing the face-off. To put it bluntly, the relationship between men and women is just an excuse! What drove them to break up was the above-mentioned expectations of cooperation between the two people and the huge differences between their theories.

Freud's hypersensitivity has long prompted Jung to make up his mind to leave.

In our ancient imperial system, the emperor harbored a very ambivalent mood towards the crown prince. On the one hand, he hoped that the prince would be successful and could inherit and carry forward the family foundation; on the other hand, if the prince was too successful, the emperor would have to keep a watchful eye on the prince for fear that the prince would harm him. Because from the prince's point of view, the emperor died one day sooner, he succeeded to the throne one day sooner, one day sooner the harem of the beautiful second maid take for themselves.

Freud also had this layer of defense against Jung. Although Freud admired Jung very much and wanted him to be the successor of his career, he was very sensitive to Jung's behavior and feared that he would deprive himself of his position and his favorite second maid at any time. It is also clear from this that Jung's excellence has jeopardized Freud's self-evaluation.

So, old Freud pulled out the traditional trick of fooling the public: playing God!

(1)

In 1909, on the eve of their trip to America, Jung talked about the mummies unearthed in the swamp in front of Freud, who suddenly fainted. He suspected that Jung was doing this because he had a potential "patricidal motive", that is, he wanted him to die early to seize the leadership of the psychoanalytic school.

(2)

In Munich in 1912, the two men went to Oktoberfest together and attended an international conference on psychoanalysis. It is said that Freud saw the "Oedipus complex" in Jung during the lively discussion. He was so worried that he would be betrayed that he passed out at the table.

Jung: Damn it, who cares about your so-called status. I don't even care about that, okay? Hey, by the way, how's your wife and sister in bed, introduce me to her. What? No? Well, I think our relationship is broken!

(4)

We don't see eye to eye!

In 1912, Jung published The Transformation and Symbolism of Libido, in which he liberated medical psychology from the subjective and personal bias of the time, made it clear that the unconscious was an objective and collective content of the mind, and shifted the object of his study from individual cases to mythology and literature. This idea ran completely counter to the theories of Freudian psychoanalysis. It eventually led to a complete breakdown of the personal relationship between Jung and Freud.

It is said that Jung was under great pressure when he wrote The Varieties and Symbols of Libido because he knew it would lead to a split between him and Freud. However, the drive to pursue the nature of things transcended personal grudges and gains. He still had it published.

In October 1913, Jung resigned as editor-in-chief of the International Psychoanalytic Yearbook; in 1914 he resigned as president of the International Psychoanalytic Society, and then withdrew from the Society again. Jung's departure took with it a large group of Jung's followers, forming a second movement away from psychoanalysis. The first time was Adler, after talking about Jung and then about him.

What followed was a long tearing war.

First, the two men exposed each other.

Then the advocates of the two sides revealed each other's backgrounds, picking each other's ancestral graves!

Then all kinds of rumors and paragraphs flew around.

Then, years later, a handsome man continued to add fuel to the fire, written into a chapter of the "psychology playbook".

(V)

After the breakup

As the saying goes, "love is deep, hate is cut"! Although he had "fame, power, wealth, knowledge, etc.", fear haunted him like a ghost. Jung fell into a "spiritual depression" for the next three years, to the point where he was "unable to work".

Afterward, Jung began to re-examine his life and self, and began to "experiment with himself". He began to draw illustrations by hand, putting dreams and visions into words and pictures. At the same time, he became fascinated with Eastern philosophy and religion (as mentioned in the previous chapter, this was a hobby of Jung's father). These contents were collected into The Red Book, which is like a private, hidden, and absolutely beautiful diary of Jung, a legend that belongs to Jung's heart.

But Jung kept the manuscript of The Red Book on the shelf during his lifetime, and his descendants refused to publish it even nearly half a century after his death in 1961. As a result, the Red Book was once ranked as one of the "world's top ten mysterious books". It is said that until September 2009, only about 20 of his family members and students in the world had read the manuscript. It took scholar Sonu Shamdasani two years to persuade Jung's grandson to agree to publish the book. (Domestic: Machinery Industry Press, January 2017 edition). Immediately after publication, it hit the US bestseller list.

Don't you want to see it first?

Red Book Sample

A chance for reconciliation

In 1929 (1913-1929, 16 years apart), more than ten years after the break with Freud, Jung published an article "Comparison of Freud and Jung" in the Cologne Journal, bringing this sensitive topic to the table for the first time. Jung said that he "did not want to deny the importance of sex in life", but to "draw the boundaries and put it in its proper place, a term that has proliferated and undermined all discussions of the mind".

This may be an attempt by Jung to ease his relationship with Freud. For he did not criticize Freud's theory directly, but only illustrated the differences between their views from a comparative point of view. But unfortunately, he did not get a response from Freud (1856-1939).

Perhaps, Jung's "betrayal" is Freud's eternal heartache. In Freud's heart, Jung was a "rebellious son", because when he loved him too much, the more painful the breakup was, and this betrayal was unforgivable.

Jung's attempts at reconciliation failed, and they never met again...

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